cetuscetus
l-41:

southamerican-orcas:

"Killer Whale strands in Brazil on August 14th, 2014, the whale will be treated at the beach by Instituto de Pesquisa e Reabilitação de Animais Marinhos (IPRAM) .
An Orca whale about five meters long ran aground on the beach of the Boca da Baleia, in Anchieta, in the south of the Holy Spirit, on the morning of Thursday (14). 
The animal is being treated by veterinarians CTA. Teams from the Institute for Research and Rehabilitation of Marine Animals (IPRAM) and a mobile service unit are the location path. The care and treatment of the whale will be done on the beach. According to CTA the whale is sick.” [x][x]
Video

Looks very thin :(

Anyone knows what happened to this one?

l-41:

southamerican-orcas:

"Killer Whale strands in Brazil on August 14th, 2014, the whale will be treated at the beach by Instituto de Pesquisa e Reabilitação de Animais Marinhos (IPRAM) .

An Orca whale about five meters long ran aground on the beach of the Boca da Baleia, in Anchieta, in the south of the Holy Spirit, on the morning of Thursday (14). 

The animal is being treated by veterinarians CTA. Teams from the Institute for Research and Rehabilitation of Marine Animals (IPRAM) and a mobile service unit are the location path. The care and treatment of the whale will be done on the beach. According to CTA the whale is sick.” [x][x]

Video

Looks very thin :(

Anyone knows what happened to this one?

Pro, anti, neutral

Definitions.

I’ve been thinking about posting this for about a week, and I have nothing to do now (um well I do have to walk the dogs), so here goes.

I write on my front page “I’m a pro-cap with reservations, you could perhaps call me a neutral”, and I’m not the only pro who says something like that.
I’ve seen others say “I don’t approve of bad facilities, but I do like the good ones”, and etcetera.

And I think that’s a given, that it’s rather unnecessary to say.

I mean, just because I’m fine with this:

(“Dog captivity”, something still some people are not fine with. I’m looking at you, PeTA.)

Does not mean I’m fine with this:

Because I’m fine with this:

Does not mean I approve of this:

In just that same way, just because I approve of this:


(Source)

Does not mean I have to approve of this:

I think it’s a given that just because you’re “pro-cap”, that doesn’t mean you have to like every captive scenario conceivable. If I may assume things, we think these animals can have respectable and good lives in human care, we don’t like animal cruelty or support poor welfare.

The reason I call myself “with reservations”, is mostly because there are some issues I’m not quite sure about yet, such as dental problems of captive orcas. I work like this: The moment an animal has to be modified to stay in captivity, demands some special care that they don’t need in the wild (like medication to relieve stress), or their welfare is compromised as a direct cause of simply being in captivity (no matter how good their circumstances), is the moment I can’t support them being in captivity.

But anyhow - anti-cap. That too, is a scale. You don’t have to be a rabid “FREE THEM ALL NOW!!!” to be anti-captivity (those tend to be the less educated and “more recently converted” ones). All you need to be is to say that “Well, I think captivity is less than ideal, and while we can’t release the current animals, we should stop breeding so captivity is weeded out eventually.” Because that means your goal is that captivity should be ended.
And that’s a perfectly respectable opinion, I’m just saying. (I used to be very anti-cap when it comes to parrots and am still extremely critical of the commercial pet parrot breeding industry. I used to say “We can’t release the ones that are here, but we should stop breeding them for anything other than direct conservation purposes.” I’m just a little bit more “level-headed” now.)

So what’s a neutral then?

I’m not sure, this post is more of a question than a statement.

But if pro-captivity can be “I think they can have good lives in a captive setting, but I sure don’t approve of that, that, that and that”, and anti-captivity can be “I think we should let the animals that are already here stay, and perhaps move some to better facilities to live out their lives, but breeding should be stopped ASAP.”

What is neutral?

If a pro would go :( to legislation being passed like the bill proposed this spring (banning orca shows and breeding, and forcing SeaWorld to move the whales to seapens), and antis would go :), does that mean a neutral simply goes :| and doesn’t care either way?

I would like to have the neutral position a bit more clarified and I don’t dare assume more about it. I do however think that many of us “pros” don’t need to say “neutral” simply because it sounds better than saying “I’m pro captivity”, which is such a bad word. It’s still okay to be fine with animals being in a captive setting/human care, as displayed with the examples above. And likewise, anti-cap is a perfectly respectable opinion, and from the parrot perspective, I can see a bit of how you’re thinking.

But now then - neutrals, help?

A really awesome video that while it is about the Hunger Games, it really is more about the control of governments, fall of societies, why failing governments, corruption and evil has always happened before, and will happen again.

Meant as a “wake up-video”, I’d say. And it really is worth your time if you’re at all interested, and especially if you’re interested in THG.

But the reason I’m posting this here, is that while I went through the whole thing, I went more and more “yes, yes, yes, this one is smart, she knows it”… then came the end, and one thing she said there, just made me feel like I’ve been slammed into the ground with a hammer.

Why?

She said she’s about to go protest SeaWorld and bla bla Blackfish bla bla… I just aarghhh blsdakfpakfegsjf… o_o *dies*

I can’t avoid this issue no matter where I turn.
A video on government control and a movie series? Nope, Blackfish says hi.
A blog on crazy things nature has come up with? Nope, anti-cap Blackfish propaganda pops up all the time.
A very well-known face in the skeptics community (that I’m also involved in), supposedly all about critical thinking? Nope, he went full Blackfish.Sigh…

And I HAD to write a comment on that. I just had to. And here it is, because I still feel like I’ve had a hammer to my head and I need to blow off some steam.

"Okay, you had me through the whole thing (and I think you’re really intelligent) - until you mentioned SeaWorld and Blackfish.

The people following Blackfish are the sheeple being mislead by animal rights-propaganda, people that think dogs and hamsters are being enslaved, they just start with the “easy targets” for people to protest, like dolphins and elephants.

I fell for Blackfish BIG TIME. I absolutely hated SeaWorld and marine parks. Then, after months of refusing to listen to contrary opinions (or facts), I reluctantly opened up, and since then, have spent about half a year researching and researching and researching, and I can tell you, that Blackfish is one. big. fat. lie.

I can’t believe that after everything you said so awesomely in this video about people being controlled, you fell for a film like Blackfish. I’m ashamed I did. I’m in the skeptics movement, I should have known better than to swallow a film hook, line and sinker, because “TV told me so”.

The only good thing about Blackfish in my mind, is that nothing has taught me critical thinking like Blackfish. I never look at facts presented, of supposed “documentaries”, the same way again, after seeing Blackfish throughly debunked through my own research.

Don’t like keeping orcas in pools? Fine, that’s a perfectly respectable opinion. Just like I respect vegans, pro-lifers (to an extent), christians, other people I don’t necessarily agree with. But don’t fall for a film like Blackfish, because it is a big fat lie, a shockumentary meant only to manipulate people’s emotions and make them go on a big emotional crusade against marine parks. It’s not facts, it’s not science.

Blackfish is just another example of the mind-controlling you’re talking about.”

I was just so disappointed she put that in at the end of the video, because she seems so intelligent otherwise. I just hopes she or others watching that video notices my comment, because it’s amazing the amount of otherwise smart and rational people falling for it. Emotional manipulation is powerful, as it makes you immune to any facts or rational arguments.

And it’s so disgusting when people use it to their advantage, to further their cause through lies and emotional manipulation.

cetacean-captivity

Anonymous asked:

If I get 25 (or more) notes on this anon ask I'll post a conversation about Blackfish on my "Chatter" Google Group for school.

cetacean-captivity answered:

I don’t know what this means but it sounds like it would help spread legitimate discussion about the film so I’ll support it. 

25 notes yo. 

I’ll help. here’s a dolphin fascinated by a jellyfish.

reblog for dolphins fascinated by jellyfish (and the endorsement of open discussions to combat blackfish’s misinformation) 

cetacean-captivity:

cetacean-captivity:

cetacean-captivity:

nimwey:

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They apparently work very well as hats as well.

Guys reblog this look how cute

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22 notes you turds if this was a post where I mistakingly said something wrong about captivity it would have 200 notes. 

I said that thing about Lolita. O:) (Hmm for some reason I don’t see that in the notes, but it is among my posts. :S)

But now it has more than 25!

Ugh… I remembered last night, a post that was probably made by Cetacean-captivity (but I can’t promise), that suggested different pods and listed them as “Facility 1, Facility 2”, etcetera.

I have searched half my ass off, and I’d like to keep the other half, so I’m gonna have to swallow my pride and ask if anyone knows. -.-

Anonymous asked:

Don't judge animal captures for any species before you see the whole story. Current methods are safe and harmless to wild populations. Fight against harmful and bad capture methods instead.

I’m not a fan of capturing any animals from the wild, as it is one of the reasons animals started getting endangered in the first place, not the least parrots which was my example. There’s a reason it’s illegal to import and sell wild-caught parrots, and that CITES exists.

In short, I’m not about the capturing methods being cruel or not which I can’t speak on, but the fact of displacing animals from their natural habitat in the first place. (If they’re not endangered now, activities like that likely will make them in the near future, especially in combination with environmental destruction.)

Anonymous asked:

It's so disappointing you're neutral towards the abuse of animals. Being neutral is just as bad as being supportive of it.

I call myself a pro-cap, and I’m not clear about the definitions so you might be able to call me a neutral.

And I don’t support any animal abuse, so your statement is ignorant and disgusting. I (as with other pros) don’t see any animal abuse in good marine parks. That means, we don’t think the concept of a dolphin in human care equals cruelty.

cetacean-captivity
cetacean-captivity:

underwatercavess:

wiildfloweriinbloom:

4thecetaceans:

SW supporters-please don’t support seaworld! For the love of Taiji dolphins!

Ummmmm??? The cove is blue? There are no captures this season yet? What is this lol

Yeah I’m confused I hope someone didn’t make this up because that’s a serious rumour to spread

wait what’s the connection? Is he saying Seaworld is importing those dolphins? 

It seems he’s trying to claim Kamogawa Sea (space) World is “connected” (affiliated with? Owned by?) to SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment in the US.
Well John Hargrove has been known to lie and make things up in the past, so I’m not too concerned here. He’s just trying to stir up the sheeple.

cetacean-captivity:

underwatercavess:

wiildfloweriinbloom:

4thecetaceans:

SW supporters-please don’t support seaworld! For the love of Taiji dolphins!

Ummmmm??? The cove is blue? There are no captures this season yet? What is this lol

Yeah I’m confused I hope someone didn’t make this up because that’s a serious rumour to spread

wait what’s the connection? Is he saying Seaworld is importing those dolphins? 

It seems he’s trying to claim Kamogawa Sea (space) World is “connected” (affiliated with? Owned by?) to SeaWorld Parks and Entertainment in the US.

Well John Hargrove has been known to lie and make things up in the past, so I’m not too concerned here. He’s just trying to stir up the sheeple.

cetacean-captivity
cetacean-captivity:

all-about-the-oceans:

miss-rhapsody:

It has been confirmed by Russian Orcas! In total 4 orcas were captured - probably illegally - in Russia!

Russian orca capture activities move into high gear: In recent days we can now confirm more details about orca capture activities in the Okhotsk Sea. Two orcas removed from the wild in mid-July, already reported, have since been shipped to China. Now we have learned that two more orcas were captured in late July. Are these captures legal? Order RPN 4 August 2014 from the Russian Federal Fisheries Agency granted a quota of up to 10 killer whales that could be taken from the Okhotsk Sea for the year 2014, but this order came after the captures. These and other issues will be discussed on 22nd September at the Russian Marine Mammal Biennial Conference in St Petersburg, where there will be a roundtable on the business of orca captures in Russia. We’ll report more about that meeting in a couple weeks. To date, the fate of the two newly captured orcas is unknown.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/russianorca/photos/a.359833577376166.103353.332791450080379/949200601772791/?type=1

Pro-caps, this is what you support.

Really? I don’t remember having ever visited a Chinese or Russian facility nor do I even remember ever having spoken positively about them.

Ditto. Pro-cap means “pro-captivity” not “pro-capture”.
I enjoy keeping parrots but I certainly don’t approve of this:

Note that just a few decades ago, almost all pet parrots were wild-caught, just like cetaceans in marine parks.

cetacean-captivity:

all-about-the-oceans:

miss-rhapsody:

It has been confirmed by Russian Orcas! In total 4 orcas were captured - probably illegally - in Russia!

Russian orca capture activities move into high gear: In recent days we can now confirm more details about orca capture activities in the Okhotsk Sea. Two orcas removed from the wild in mid-July, already reported, have since been shipped to China. Now we have learned that two more orcas were captured in late July. Are these captures legal? Order RPN 4 August 2014 from the Russian Federal Fisheries Agency granted a quota of up to 10 killer whales that could be taken from the Okhotsk Sea for the year 2014, but this order came after the captures. These and other issues will be discussed on 22nd September at the Russian Marine Mammal Biennial Conference in St Petersburg, where there will be a roundtable on the business of orca captures in Russia. We’ll report more about that meeting in a couple weeks. To date, the fate of the two newly captured orcas is unknown.

Source: https://www.facebook.com/russianorca/photos/a.359833577376166.103353.332791450080379/949200601772791/?type=1

Pro-caps, this is what you support.

Really? I don’t remember having ever visited a Chinese or Russian facility nor do I even remember ever having spoken positively about them.

Ditto. Pro-cap means “pro-captivity” not “pro-capture”.

I enjoy keeping parrots but I certainly don’t approve of this:


Note that just a few decades ago, almost all pet parrots were wild-caught, just like cetaceans in marine parks.