I’ve been thinking about posting this for about a week, and I have nothing to do now (um well I do have to walk the dogs), so here goes.
I write on my front page “I’m a pro-cap with reservations, you could perhaps call me a neutral”, and I’m not the only pro who says something like that.
I’ve seen others say “I don’t approve of bad facilities, but I do like the good ones”, and etcetera.
And I think that’s a given, that it’s rather unnecessary to say.
I mean, just because I’m fine with this:
(“Dog captivity”, something still some people are not fine with. I’m looking at you, PeTA.)
Does not mean I’m fine with this:
Because I’m fine with this:
Does not mean I approve of this:
In just that same way, just because I approve of this:
Does not mean I have to approve of this:
I think it’s a given that just because you’re “pro-cap”, that doesn’t mean you have to like every captive scenario conceivable. If I may assume things, we think these animals can have respectable and good lives in human care, we don’t like animal cruelty or support poor welfare.
The reason I call myself “with reservations”, is mostly because there are some issues I’m not quite sure about yet, such as dental problems of captive orcas. I work like this: The moment an animal has to be modified to stay in captivity, demands some special care that they don’t need in the wild (like medication to relieve stress), or their welfare is compromised as a direct cause of simply being in captivity (no matter how good their circumstances), is the moment I can’t support them being in captivity.
But anyhow - anti-cap. That too, is a scale. You don’t have to be a rabid “FREE THEM ALL NOW!!!” to be anti-captivity (those tend to be the less educated and “more recently converted” ones). All you need to be is to say that “Well, I think captivity is less than ideal, and while we can’t release the current animals, we should stop breeding so captivity is weeded out eventually.” Because that means your goal is that captivity should be ended.
And that’s a perfectly respectable opinion, I’m just saying. (I used to be very anti-cap when it comes to parrots and am still extremely critical of the commercial pet parrot breeding industry. I used to say “We can’t release the ones that are here, but we should stop breeding them for anything other than direct conservation purposes.” I’m just a little bit more “level-headed” now.)
So what’s a neutral then?
I’m not sure, this post is more of a question than a statement.
But if pro-captivity can be “I think they can have good lives in a captive setting, but I sure don’t approve of that, that, that and that”, and anti-captivity can be “I think we should let the animals that are already here stay, and perhaps move some to better facilities to live out their lives, but breeding should be stopped ASAP.”
What is neutral?
If a pro would go :( to legislation being passed like the bill proposed this spring (banning orca shows and breeding, and forcing SeaWorld to move the whales to seapens), and antis would go :), does that mean a neutral simply goes :| and doesn’t care either way?
I would like to have the neutral position a bit more clarified and I don’t dare assume more about it. I do however think that many of us “pros” don’t need to say “neutral” simply because it sounds better than saying “I’m pro captivity”, which is such a bad word. It’s still okay to be fine with animals being in a captive setting/human care, as displayed with the examples above. And likewise, anti-cap is a perfectly respectable opinion, and from the parrot perspective, I can see a bit of how you’re thinking.
But now then - neutrals, help?
I don’t know what this means but it sounds like it would help spread legitimate discussion about the film so I’ll support it.
25 notes yo.
I’ll help. here’s a dolphin fascinated by a jellyfish.
reblog for dolphins fascinated by jellyfish (and the endorsement of open discussions to combat blackfish’s misinformation)
They apparently work very well as hats as well.
Guys reblog this look how cute
22 notes you turds if this was a post where I mistakingly said something wrong about captivity it would have 200 notes.
I said that thing about Lolita. O:) (Hmm for some reason I don’t see that in the notes, but it is among my posts. :S)
But now it has more than 25!
Ugh… I remembered last night, a post that was probably made by Cetacean-captivity (but I can’t promise), that suggested different pods and listed them as “Facility 1, Facility 2”, etcetera.
I have searched half my ass off, and I’d like to keep the other half, so I’m gonna have to swallow my pride and ask if anyone knows. -.-
I’m not a fan of capturing any animals from the wild, as it is one of the reasons animals started getting endangered in the first place, not the least parrots which was my example. There’s a reason it’s illegal to import and sell wild-caught parrots, and that CITES exists.
In short, I’m not about the capturing methods being cruel or not which I can’t speak on, but the fact of displacing animals from their natural habitat in the first place. (If they’re not endangered now, activities like that likely will make them in the near future, especially in combination with environmental destruction.)
I call myself a pro-cap, and I’m not clear about the definitions so you might be able to call me a neutral.
And I don’t support any animal abuse, so your statement is ignorant and disgusting. I (as with other pros) don’t see any animal abuse in good marine parks. That means, we don’t think the concept of a dolphin in human care equals cruelty.